Quantum Consciousness, Soul Groups & The Living Intelligence of Animals (Part 2)

Episode Description 🐾
 In Part 2 of this extraordinary conversation, Trisha McCagh continues her deep discussion with Pete Smith from the Institute for Quantum Consciousness, exploring the nature of soul groups, collective consciousness, telepathy, and what happens beyond physical death.

Together, they weave science, spirituality, and lived experience into a powerful exploration of how humans and animals may be far more interconnected than we currently understand. From quantum entanglement of consciousness to the intelligence of animal collectives, this episode invites you to question everything you thought you knew about life, death, and reality itself.

The episode closes with a thought-provoking discussion on animal cloning, grief, and whether technology can ever truly replace the soul essence of a beloved animal.

Episode Chapters 🐾
 00:00 – Welcome to Part 2 & setting the energetic context
 00:53 – Soul groups vs individual consciousness
 02:35 – Animal collectives and shared species intelligence
 06:02 – Telepathy as universal communication
 07:19 – Truth, intuition & heart-based perception
 07:46 – Animals in near-death experiences & grief
 09:01 – Continuity of animals across lifetimes
 10:53 – Trisha’s personal story: Bo, Maddie & awakening to animal communication
 16:14 – Purpose, destiny & service to consciousness
 22:03 – Death, transition & expanded awareness beyond the body
 23:29 – Animal “afterlife parties” & reunion consciousness
 25:12 – Purpose, incarnation & returning in new forms
 29:31 – Finding meaning through service & human contribution
 32:14 – Animals, joy & remembering how to live
 35:51 – Humanity, fear vs love & returning to simplicity
 39:44 – Acts of kindness & conscious living in daily life
 46:51 – Closing reflections: we are all quantum consciousness

Animal News 🐾
Trisha McCagh and Dana Saidi explore the controversial topic of animal cloning and genetic revival, including cases of cloned pets and scientific attempts to resurrect extinct species such as the woolly mammoth and dire wolf.

The conversation raises important ethical questions:
Can a cloned animal ever truly replace the soul essence of a beloved companion?
Does replication of DNA equal continuity of identity or relationship?
Are humans attempting to fill grief through technology rather than healing emotional attachment?

Trisha emphasises that while cloned animals may share physical similarity, they do not carry the same soul essence, personality, or relational identity, suggesting that grief resolution and acceptance may be a more natural path than technological replacement.

👤 About the Guest
Pete Smith is a teacher, author, and consciousness explorer, and the founder of the Institute for Quantum Consciousness.

With over two decades of experience, he has worked extensively in the field of spiritual regression and life-between-lives exploration through the Michael Newton Institute, where he previously served as president.

Pete’s work bridges the gap between quantum physics and spirituality, helping people access deeper levels of awareness, healing, and understanding of their soul’s journey.

Institute for Quantum Consciousness: 
 www.instituteforquantumconsciousness.com 
Peter Smith: www.quantumconsciousness.com.au
Documentary: www.unlockingquantumconsciousness.com

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:02

Welcome back to Animal Talk with Trisha McKay. If you've just joined us for part two, I highly recommend going back and listening to part one first, because that conversation really sets the stage for the depth and expansion we're about to move into. In this episode, I'm continuing my conversation with Pete Smith. And what's been so powerful is the crossover between the work I do as an animal communicator and Pete's work from his time with the Michael Newton Institute through to his current work with the Institute for Quantum Consciousness. There's so much shared ground here, and in this next part, we begin by exploring soul groups, both human and animal, before opening up into even bigger questions around the meaning of life, the universe, and everything. Well, I'm not sure what more is there? So let's dive back in. The group soul is different to the individual. What's your concept on that?

SPEAKER_01 1:03

We've been seeing group soul phenomenon for some time. And I've had a number of personal experiences that um I'm told by clients through their eternal eyes, if you like, that this planet is where we have very unique and separated consciousness. And we can talk about the collective conscious of humanity, the collective unconscious, as per Karl Jung's model. You know, we can look at all of that oneness, if you like, which is a a term that a lot of people use. But here we have a a unique and separate consciousness for each of the individual souls that have incarnated here. In other places it's very different. I've had lives described to me on other planets, in other dimensions, where it's more of a group phenomenon where a little piece of that breaks off and comes and incarnates here, but they are quantumly entangled and telepathically communicating their whole experiences here in human form back to the other, say 11 twelfths of the collective. So they don't need to fully incarnate, they only need to incarnate as one piece of that consciousness for it to have 100% experience. Um, that's becoming increasingly common. You know, I had I had one client tell me, I think I asked the the question that runs through most people's mind, well, why you? Why are you that 8%, that 11th or whatever it is, why you? Well, I was the courageous piece. So they broke me off and sent me down here. And that was not in those words exactly, but that was really the the concept.

SPEAKER_04 2:38

Yeah, interesting, because I've had experiences with groups all of on planets of species of animals. So there's the giraffes or there's the elephants or there's the crows, where they choose to have a collective experience of existing and setting up tapestries of energy energy across the planet to create, whether it be, you know, climate, cut, you know, feeling sensation, wholeness, um, keeping it all together, the tapestries, whatever it is. And then one of those animals may get injured or, you know, be brought into a rescue center. And sometimes it's really interesting what those rescue centers have said about some of these individual animals, like some just can't cope, some just can't get used to this, the individual part because they were part of the collective. There still can be an individual again, but for now they're not. And yet other animals adapt beautifully. When they're released again, they can go back into that consciousness, or some that can't be released will then reside as an individual. That's what the animals have expressed. So they can it's it's again, it's flow. So, because they want to experience that as a whole. So you can actually collectively communicate telepathically with that group soul and say, what is your purpose? What are you doing on this planet and what is that about? Right. So it's it's a very uh interesting thing getting it directly from the animals because they said it's a very different feel. It's a bit, they gave me the uh the little analogy of the musketeers, you know, all for one, one for all. They're kind of all intermeshing, you know, entanglement with each other, having multiple experiences across multiple places if they're the one species. So they're they're gaining a lot of uh information, but they're also contributing. And what they said was as man creates havoc for those animals or the habitat, and a specific tapestry is removed, extinction. It's devastating because it creates an imbalance of the entanglement, which then creates havoc in many other areas, including not just climate, but just in general and in consciousness. It can create all sorts of instability, uncertainty, that sort of things. But they said, however, some of our species comes on the planet for the kind of evolution at the time or the energy at the time, and they contribute. And they said that's why sometimes scientists don't know why, is because we just take ourselves off the planet. We disappear because it's no longer needed, and yet a new species will turn up with a different frequency or a different enlightenment that and consciousness that goes somewhere else because we have to fill a void or a hole. So it's interesting what goes on behind the scenes in that type of arrangement. So that's the information I've been getting directly from them in in speaking with them telepathically to this consciousness, to this frequency. So, you know, and it's it's a bit dumbfounding, really, because I sit there and go, wow, I didn't know that, you know.

SPEAKER_01 5:49

So Douglas Adams Douglas Adams was right when the dolphins left and they said so long and thanks for all the fish, which I think was his fourth, his fourth book. So I'm I mean what you're what you're saying is is validated in lots of ways too, Tricia. I mean, um Rupert Sheldrake, coming back to him and his views on morphic res resonance, and when he determined that a daffodil, for example, there's not enough information in a daffodil's DNA or uh and its equivalent to and its genetic markers to know to form that special trumpet sort of shape that the flower is. So the only way it could know how to be a daffodil is through some form of collective consciousness of that species of flower.

unknown 6:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:33

I mean morphic resonance is um is a great theory where that whole collective energy becomes like a group mind.

SPEAKER_00 6:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 6:42

And I and I think that's the ways of the universe. And you know, if you look at all of us with our, you know, hundreds of different languages on this planet, as um species evolve and the universe evolves and civilizations evolve, they drop language, they move to telepathy. And that's that's how animals communicate.

SPEAKER_04 7:03

And that's how we used to communicate when we before we verbalized. So it's it's it's interesting, it's it's more of a universal language than actually any verbal because you have to know every different language, whereas telepathy is just one, and every species can speak it if if they choose to. And it's really interesting with telepathy because it's a lot more, it's a lot more truthful, it's a lot more flowing, and you have to be, you're not just listening to it in verbal language. When you're getting it telepathically, it's coming through your heart center and it's it's almost forming a reverberation through you that you know whether it's it's it's the real truth. And it usually is. Yeah, there's a whole different, you know, sort of concept going on there. So many people report encountering deceased pets in those near-death experiences. And if they do, do they just seem to get the ones from this lifetime as that person?

SPEAKER_01 8:00

Great question. My experience is that the only reason they come, Tricia, is to provide comfort to the client. Okay, so in order to provide comfort to the client that's currently in this lifetime, it's one of their pets that have passed that normally comes. It's quite rare for it to happen in our work, but normally I can track it back to the client who's holding some form of grief. You know, is my little dog, my little cat, my budgery guy, are they okay? And they've entered into that journey, into the greater field of consciousness with an intention to know that, whether consciously or unconsciously. Um and then it unfolds. And I think because the the animal is called to help their person.

SPEAKER_04 8:54

And uh have the people in these sessions spoken about an animal that has come multiple times in this lifetime?

SPEAKER_01 9:03

I've seen that happen. Um I've had um uh when I was originally trained in Reiki, oh, 25 or 30 years ago or something, um our Reiki master told the story about how her little dog had died and then um had spoken to her from the other side to say they were gonna incarnate as another puppy and gave her directions on where to find them. I guess it was the Animal Kingdom's approach, you know, answer to the Dalai Lama, and uh how that continues. But um, yeah, I've heard that as as one example, and you know, I had a spontaneous memory myself running with my little black cockle spaniel at one point and getting a very strong sense of sitting on his back, same jingling of the collar and the lead, um, sitting on his back as he was a horse in another lifetime. So I think there's uh there's these connections do transcend time and space because they're based on love.

SPEAKER_04 9:54

Well, I I've had these experiences, um, thankfully for you know, luckily for me, but there's some interesting phenomena that I've been through, and I don't know, I'm sure that you've you've probably come across this. But how I became an animal communicator was I had two cats, um Bo and Maddie. I was very attached to both of them, but Bo in particular, we just had something that couldn't be explained. You know, when people see you with him, they go, Oh my god, the whole world stops when you two are together. And I just, you know, he used to groom me every day. And oh, look, you know, we just had this big thing going on. But when he was still quite young, he actually became very ill. He ended up with a very rare condition that the vets just really didn't know what was going on and they were trying to keep him alive. So he was on all of this life support machine and tubes coming out everywhere, and I went in and visited him. And at the time, you know, not being a communicator, I just did what normal humans do who love their cat is hold the poor, put your face on their face, and tell them how much you love them. And I just remember saying to him, You're a young cat, you can do this, you can fight this, and you can come back home. So please just keep trying. And in a different voice, out of nowhere came, you have to let me go, you have to set me free. And I just remember getting up going, that's not what I was just saying. And I'm looking around the room, and then I'm looking down at him, going, Oh, it was you, wasn't it? And I just got this overwhelming feeling. So I realized it was him at that time. Don't, you know, it's just like all overwhelming. And I did set him free. And I remember sitting with him for an hour and a half, realizing he wasn't in that body, but he was up here with me. This was all happening in one day. And then I got this inkling to go to the place where I got him from, this person who gave him to me, this breeder, and to go there. And for some reason, and I had Maddie with me, his sister. And my partner at the time said, It's too overwhelming. You know, we can't go there today. And I said, I have to go. I don't know why. Don't ask me, but I have to go and I have to take Maddie with me. And he said, You don't even know if she's home. And I said, But I do, she's home. This was coming out of my mouth, Pete. You know, like that it was just coming out of my mouth. And so we went there, she was home. She opened the door, she said, What happened? I was crazy, you know, I was in a bit tears and sad. And I told her what happened, and she said, I'm so sorry. And he was only so young. And anyway, my partner went off to the lounge and we went in to make a cup of coffee. I heard these little meows, and this little kitten in the same colouring and everything runs across the kitchen, runs up my jeans, hangs on, and looks at me. And he was a spitting image of Bo when he was, you know, a few weeks old. And she said, Oh, that's Bo's half-brother. He was supposed to be sold this morning, but I don't know. I just didn't want to give him to that guy. And I was just in shock because it was like looking at him all over again, because he was only 13 months old, Bo, when he passed away. So she said, Listen, I'm gonna give him to you. And I said, No, I can't. I'm in too much grief. She goes, not now, in a few weeks' time, few months, whenever, because I just want to take away the shadows. I think it's the least I can do. So I took him in to show him to my partner, and he said, Oh, who's that? Explained the whole story. And he said, So what are you gonna do? And I said, Oh, I'm gonna take him tonight out of my mouth. So this was really strange. So anyway, we're driving home and I'm going, why did I do that? I'm looking down at him, going, How can I love you? I I'm still in love with Bo. So what's happening is Bo was a very unusual cat. Bo would howl at the moon every night.

SPEAKER_02 13:52

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 13:53

Now, asked a behaviorist, never seen it before, but they said, Your cat is unique. I went, Great. So we just got used to it. So I get this little kitten home, and after two days, he runs out onto the balcony, just like Bo did, threw his head back and howled at the moon at the left window and then at the right window. There was the phenomena, right? And of course, my partner said, What the hell is going on? I said, I don't know, I don't know. That's how I discovered animal communication, so on and so on. So that was a big phenomena because when I contacted an animal communicator about it to learn about it, it turns out that Bo was flowing into Shay and creating that phenomena. And he was like that for one month and then never again. And she told me it would be for one month, the weirdest thing. And I just went, what is going on? Right. So there's this phenomena that's happening right in front of your eyes. I found out later from Bo with our afterlife communication that he had done that to move me into animal communication because my plan was that if I wasn't a communicator by a certain age, somebody was going to come down here and give me the shakeup. He was it. So, how interesting that and he's and I said, What if I didn't get it? What if I wasn't picking it up? He said, Then I would have had to have kept coming down and doing it until you got it. So there you have it. And, you know, um, I said, but why did you have to die? Couldn't you speak to me and then come back? And he goes, No, because when you're in human form, it doesn't work that way. You will go back into your comfort zone. I had to shake it up into uncertainty because when everything is perfect, nothing grows. So there's a little tip for everyone there as well. So what do you think about that?

SPEAKER_01 15:56

I think most people come to consciousness work through personal experience, Treasure.

SPEAKER_02 16:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:02

Is my take because it's not the sort of thing that you can learn out of a textbook. You can do a course and that can awaken some pieces within you, but for me, I think it's all about having the experiences yourself. And and that's what brings you to your purpose.

SPEAKER_04 16:20

So do I. And I I must say, obviously, I was lagging, Pete.

SPEAKER_01 16:25

I was I was lagging in my purpose. And so I'd I'd like to s just let's just call it inevitable. And it was gonna happen one way or another.

SPEAKER_04 16:36

What a lovely way, though, for it to happen. Uh, because you know, he was such such a love in my life. Um he was such a he was such a gorgeous being. I I'm I'm so glad I asked him to to do the to do what was needed when it was needed. And he was so for so forgiving over the whole thing. But anyway, there you go. Yeah, so we talked about can a uh an animal be present in numerous times. Um Shay ended up being a cat from before. Um it was so how it happened for me again, my consciousness experience. He was sitting on a on a bench years after I had him, you know, and I was just looking at him and I saw this other animal superimpose over him. And it and it was my old cat from when I was 19. And I just said, Okay, you're kidding me? Are you Cimarron? And he went, Finally. Like I took again a long time. Just saying for everybody out there, obviously I take my time with things, you know. And I said, Why were you with me when I was 19 for only about eight, 10 months? He said, I was making a connection with you so we could continue our work when you became a communicator. So obviously Bo and Shay were in cahoots, uh, as was Maddie. So, you know, was it there was a there was a mission impossible situation going on and they were my team. Do th do animals retain their personalities after they pass over to the afterlife? Or do they, you know, m more than what they were live, or do they retain it or do they get better? What happens?

SPEAKER_01 18:10

I would imagine it may work similar to the humans, which is probably more more my field of expertise. When we we cross over and we go into the greatness of who we are, we go into our superconscious energy or whatever that may be, we will project ourselves back in a way that can be recognised. And this is the way I think um mediumship happens sometimes for people, is that oh, Uncle Bob's here in the room. Well, Uncle Bob was a chapter in a book that's really, really long. Uncle Bob was one chapter, um, and Uncle Unc Uncle Bob wants to come back and be recognised because he has a message. And and I wonder whether the whole universe works that way. I mean, I can only assume that animals may work in the same way, that they need to be recognized. Same as your morphing story of a moment ago, you know, um, it's important for you to know that this is the energy that I carry so that you can recognise it, get the insight, and get you along your path. So my take would be is they're they're a greater expanded, eternal, and limitless being, but needs to bring a message as a messenger and moves back into that particular piece. And I've seen that happen a lot with people.

SPEAKER_04 19:25

So Yeah, and I think I think this is a great subject for us to be talking about because we don't stop here. This is just a chapter. And once we've finished this series, we've got another series to move to, or all at the same time. As a dog said to me, death's merely a transition to another exciting journey. So it it kind of gives people, hopefully, the uh peace and calm that death is only the physical body, it's not who we are. We are the living force inside. If you take our body away from us, then it's like the animal said, it's just a spacesuit. It really doesn't contain anything until we're in it.

SPEAKER_02 20:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 20:11

So it's a it's a a really interesting thing. And you know, you said we're very expansive. Now, Maddie, the third cat in that story, she only passed a couple of years ago. She was 22. So she had been my teacher for the 22 years. But uh when she passed, she allowed me to see a lot. We had the vet there, and the vet is knows what I do, and you know, she's very much on board with all of this. When Maddie passed, when that final injection was in, she was actually out of the body before then. But Maddie was enabling us to see all of the process. But when she actually left the body, she was like a speck of light that was bouncing around the room, and she said, I'm free, I'm free. Now, she was a very frank individual, so it didn't stop there. So she said, I'm free, and she said, Oh, yes, yes, let me expand out. I am so big. Wow, you're really enormous. But right now you're crammed into that tiny little thing you call Trisha. And she said, I can see how you're kind of it's a lot of pressure at the top, she said. She said, but the bit that it joins to is immense. She said, wait till it's your turn and you'll realize how comfortable I am now. In your terms, it's a bit like taking off a pair of tight jeans. She goes, Well, now everything can hang out. That's how she she felt and she had this amazing feeling. And when I started to shed a tear because her physical was gone, you know, she said, No tears. You know better than that. She said, It's all part of the plan, and we're right on target with the plan. And you You don't have to cry because I am you and you are me. That was her message.

SPEAKER_01 22:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:06

So she said, let's just get on with that. What do you think about that?

SPEAKER_01 22:10

Well I get some funny looks, Tricia, when people ask me about death and I say, well, you know, dying is like kicking open a door to you. Remembered magnificence. So there's you know, I mean it's the start, not the finish. I mean it's a cause for celebration. I mean, in our life between lives work, when people cross over and they move into the afterlife, there's often they're met by relatives, there's celebrations, there's welcome home parties, there's all sorts of stuff that happens. And they're and all slapping on the back, you know, job well done, all that sort of stuff. I mean, it's it's it's freedom next level because you're no longer carrying the restrictions of these, you know, tiny little frequencies that we're allowed to move through while we're here in human form. I mean, we've got a job to do, and there's things that we've come here to get done, and you know, our you know what it's like to find purpose in your life from what you're here to do. So, I mean, that's all fantastic, but it's nothing compared to what's waiting for us. I mean, I I I don't I don't really have any fear of death. I mean, I'm looking forward to the transition. I mean, I feel sad for my kids and the people that love me and all that sort of stuff, but they'll send me on the other side when they're ready. Like we don't. Yeah, it's horrifying. It's no good.

SPEAKER_04 23:24

No, no, no. Is that look, the animals have described these reunion parties to be the party of all parties.

SPEAKER_02 23:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 23:32

Like I'm talking like these people who are grieving them. I said, Look, your animal is feeling really guilty right now. And they go, My animal. I went, Yeah, because they're having a party and they're looking at you and you are sad. That's why Maddie wouldn't have let wouldn't let me shed the tear. Because the animals are sad that they've made a person sad because they're having a party. I say to my clients, you know what? You've bought your animal a ticket to the Caribbean and you didn't buy yourself one. You need to feel really sorry for yourself. Not for the animal because I'm sorry, but right now they're with all you know, they know, and many, many others. And these parties don't, there's no time frame.

SPEAKER_02 24:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:11

So it's not like our parties, they go for maybe five, six hours. Over there, you know, it can be, they just keep going. This is why it's it's very hard to um explain this type of wow, can't wait to go to that party. But we, when we step out of this body, can we just I just want to get your take on this? We step out of this body, we become who we really are. So we've got these restrictions down here, and there's 3D dimensional heaviness, and so we can't, it's hard to raise a vibration, so we've got a lot of negativity and all of that sort of thing. So we release back into who we really are, but surely a little bit more, because wouldn't we have gained some knowledge from here, some learning, some like maybe we're we're freer than than what we came. Otherwise, what was the point? Um have you ever heard of someone going, damn, I came here to do that and I didn't quite do it? Do they ever do that?

SPEAKER_01 25:09

Absolutely, but that's it's not the end of the game. You can come back and have another crack.

SPEAKER_04 25:14

So we do come here to have this purpose, which is so I've come here for a purpose, but I've also come here for another purse purpose asked of me by a high counsel. They asked me to specifically come and do this animal communication. So I've sort of got these two things running, and I feel really compelled to complete it. That's why I'm asking you this.

SPEAKER_01 25:37

Absolutely. I mean that'd that'd be engraved on the fabric of your soul, Tricia. I mean, that's a that's a beautiful thing to be driven by uh a remembered purpose. When you can remember your purpose and you can bring it into your conscious awareness, you pick up speed. But there's something about it's it's it's not just about us, it's it's about what is what is the contribution to others. And what we've found in the Life Between Lives work, what we most debrief when we get back there is it's not about did you do this? Were you the Prime Minister? Were you a CEO? Were you all this sort of stuff? You know, that's for the the souls at a loss anyway, maybe. But um there's something about, you know, how many lives did you touch? How many people did you help? And then what did you learn along the way while you did that? And um we're finding an increasing trend that people are here to contribute and be part of something greater than themselves. And and that's a transcension, if you like, or transcendence of uh of the human ego anyway, when it's no longer about you and it's about something far greater. And that lifts us into another level of purpose. And if you look at the number of people that you've brought uh relief to and inspiration and and healing, I mean that's what it's all about. It's about what do we contribute beyond ourselves that helps others, it lifts humanity more generally. And that's what we all need to be doing.

SPEAKER_04 26:57

Well, you're well, you're doing it in a huge way because information and wisdom is the key to everything to me. Like it's enlightening people in reasoning and per and and what things are all about to give you greater understanding and clarity. Without clarity, what do we have? A whole lot of confusion, and we're all running around in different directions. When we have clarity and it feels right, so we're building this flow between the information you're bringing and what's resonating within my soul, even here today, the resonance. And it's like, yes, when I said I'd come to do a purpose, meaning uh I had a couple of contracts to do, I had a couple of other little things to tie up, but the main event I'm here, and this is why Bo came down to sort me out, was because, hey, you haven't forgotten the other, have you? Get out of that ego thing. Um, because what I, you know, this this is it's way bigger than me, and why I'm in a little bit of a hurry to create a legacy for whenever I leave so that somebody can pick up the ball and keep going. And it's because we're creating a flow between ancient to modern. Because the ancients had a lot of wisdom and did things in a different way. This world's becoming a little bit too automated, going away from connection. Um, we could go on and on and on. I'm trying to bring that back. Hence why we're going through the animals, the plant kingdom, the natural world, bringing everybody back to resonance of consciousness in a way, even though everything's consciousness in a term, but we're coming back to the calmness, to the connection within ourselves, where you can have a community, but you don't need everyone else's say-so or whatever else. You're coming within yourself, you're realizing who you are and what you are, and you're serving others to do the same. And that's why I'm developing a children's program to try to get the connection and the calmness back so that the frequency of these high-developed animals and natural world can resonate in us, within us, part of us, and we're all connecting together. So that's where I'm driven, and I'm really not driven to do anything else ever since that time that that Bo came down here. So it's interesting how our consciousness knows and then will direct us in our interests. So where are your what are you interested in? What is your value? What is your your really deep thing? What means the most to you is really where you're going to find your purpose, I feel. Yeah. Yeah. But when did you perhaps realize what you had come down to to do?

SPEAKER_01 29:52

Well, I'm discovering new things all the time, Tricia, really. Um, the next project that happens, uh, next thing that we come across. And and I guess what shifted for me was probably eight to ten years ago now. And I'd had this whole I've got to find my purpose and what am I here to do and all that sort of stuff. And I finally got the penny dropped, and I said I release the need to have a purpose. And I'm happy to be an instrument to serve humanity.

SPEAKER_03 30:23

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 30:23

Show me how. And and once I did that, um, things got bigger, um courses filled up more, a book came through, some guy came from America and did a documentary on our work. It was like when I'd finally got to a point where I realized it was about serving others and not about what I was here to do for me. Uh, it's like the universe said, okay, well this guy's ready, we'll throw him some more things. So, you know, um that's how it accelerates when you move beyond a need for a purpose and you step into service to humanity. Um, the universe seems to find you and get you to do stuff.

SPEAKER_04 30:59

Yeah, I mean, and we're all doing it in different ways. You're like you're saying, you're doing it mainly through humans, I'm doing it through animals.

SPEAKER_02 31:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:07

Um it's but it's all the same thing, and it's it's it's just so beautiful. And just the way you said that, I just felt like the whole concept of ego just fell to the floor. It just in that one sentence, it just all fell to the floor, and the true meaning of of life and everything just came to the forefront. And it's very exciting, but when you come to serve, it's it's just sitting on a whole different level, isn't it? And yeah, the reward you get is the love, is the love and the the sensations of other people's happiness, other animal well, animals are happy when their people are happy. So uh you know, there's a different uh way of having happiness, but you feel all that happiness hit your heart center all at once, and that's euphoric to me.

SPEAKER_01 32:02

Yeah, you know, absolutely. That's that's the real thing.

SPEAKER_04 32:05

That's the real thing. That's the real thing. So in what ways do you think can animals act to help with spiritual growth?

SPEAKER_01 32:16

Well, I go back to that quote from the book that I used earlier. I mean, there's a lot we can learn from animals. I mean animals, um, you know, you know, my experience is of certainly we've had cats, but I've had more dogs over the years and observe a dog. Observe the the unbridled joy when the owner comes home from work. Uh watch puppies and children interact together and have fun together. I mean that's something that transcends the species barrier. That they're out there having fun. You know, just see a kid playing with their dog. The dog's having their best life, and so's the kid. I mean, I think I think animals show us how to get back to basics, Tricia. There's a lot we can learn from them.

SPEAKER_04 32:58

Yeah. They show us how to have fun, right? Yeah. I remember saying to my partner once, um, I don't have a partner now, but when I had a partner, I remember saying to him, I've never seen you get that excited when I come home. And he just thought about it and went, oh. And I and me too. I I didn't do it either.

SPEAKER_01 33:19

You know, it's not a human thing.

SPEAKER_04 33:21

It's but but that's the whole point. I'd go away teaching for a couple of weeks, and it was great seeing my partner at the airport. But when I got home, even in the I was in the garage and you could hear the cats meowing. You could the dogs were scratching at the door. They just couldn't wait for you to get in there. And then, you know, you know when the real excitement happens when you've just gone to the shop for two hours or an hour and a half, and you come home and they do that whether you've been away a month or two and a half hours. Don't you it's it's it's like feeling like you're a you're a rock star.

SPEAKER_01 33:54

Well, I I I know we can do it because little kids do that. Daddy's home and they rush and they they grab onto his legs and all that sort of stuff. And I've had the joy of experiencing that when my kids were small. But somewhere along the way we lose it.

SPEAKER_04 34:09

Why do we lose that? Oh, because we've got to become mature or something.

SPEAKER_01 34:12

We become we become more human. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 34:14

Yeah, more human.

SPEAKER_01 34:17

Being an adult's overrated, really. But um, you know, I mean there's there's there's something we lose it along the way along the way, and I think animals help to remind us that hey, this is how it can be.

SPEAKER_04 34:30

Yeah, you know, when we're I'm teaching in my courses, I go go back to being a child, go back to the fun. Okay, you know what happens also? This is this is an analogy. Say you're going to the ski slopes and you're a child. Oh, there's a toboggan there or there's a sled. You don't think about anything, but what's it gonna be like going from there to there on that stuff in that, right? Let's just get down there. It's just, I can't even describe it. It's been quite a long time since I've been a child. But do you know that that's just it? What do we do?

SPEAKER_00 35:05

Oh, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 35:06

What if it's slippery? I mean, what if I hit that tree and then I can't work because you know I've injured my left? Like we go through all the what ifs. This is where the what ifs and the woulda, shoulda, coulda's come in. The kids don't have any of that. There's just, you know, there's just this one thing of getting from A to B. And they don't care how they get there. They just want to see what that's like. And that's what you see in an animal and a child, what, to about maybe seven, six, something like that. And then after that, we all change. So the moral of this whole session we're just having is become a child again or an animal and stay that way and have fun. Because maybe maybe we just get too judgmental on oh, we've got to act mature, we've got to act a certain way.

SPEAKER_01 35:54

And there's been a lot of um you know comment over the years about, you know, how to how do we see the world through the eyes of a child with the joy and the wonder that they have. And if we look at this planet, and and I saw something interesting on a social media thing today. You know, if if we've been given this incredibly beautiful planet full of the Mother Nature, the trees, the animals, the whole thing, and we think we need to have mining and we need to have wars and we need to have all of this stuff going on and we just call that a successful life. I think in some ways humanity's lost its way. And I think for us to return back and to to learn from animals, learn from children, I mean, I think adults need to go back to school to let go of the things that we don't want, where we live on a planet that's permeated by fear in lots of different ways, and we won't go down that rabbit hole, Tricia, because we'll go for another hour. But, you know, there's I mean, there's something about how we need to correct the ship.

SPEAKER_04 36:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 36:58

And we need to do some things differently. And there's lessons to be learned from the kids, from the animals, from the consciousness, from the the greater consciousness that we're all part of. But we have to stop doing what we're doing now, we have to listen, and we have to change direction. And that'll make the world a better place.

SPEAKER_04 37:18

How do you how do you think we could take the first step, Pete? How how do you think we could just really take that first step?

SPEAKER_01 37:29

Well, I think the the first step is to say no to fear. And say yes to love in every way, and and you know, that sounds like a t-shirt or something, but you know, just a a s a small example for me is, you know, I've already talked about what I'm here to do and I've surrendered some needs and I just follow the path now as best I can. I'm still human, I still make mistakes. But there's something that I like to do, and that's to do some small act of kindness every day for somebody. And it might be an email, it might take a lady's an old lady's trolley back at the supermarket when she's hundred mo a hundred metres from where you take your trolley to, it might be to smile in a shop, give somebody a compliment. I mean I do believe, and it's been said by others, not just me, that small acts of kindness will turn the world around. And if we can do that, then I think that's a great place to start. Another great place to start is turn your television off, don't watch the news. Because there's there's it's all bad news, there's no good news.

SPEAKER_04 38:40

So and Well, there is, but they just don't show it.

SPEAKER_01 38:43

Yeah. Yeah. So I mean step outside of mainstream media, um, get interested in life from a different direction, uh, surrender your conditioning at both the familial level, the educational level, the societal level, surrender, all those levels of conditioning. Find out who you really are and bring that to the world. Because only you can do that. There's eight billion of us and we're all different. If we all step into our authenticity, into our uniqueness and you know, um start to be kind to other people. I mean, we're gonna turn this planet around. And we will. That's inevitable. It's just how long it's gonna take.

SPEAKER_04 39:18

And I agree with you. Um we could make it sooner rather than later. And those acts of kindness are are just such little things that if you start doing them, yeah, they just then they just become everyday things. So everything then it just happens with the flow, right? So you're doing it with people, and you know, I I obviously do too, but I also do it with animals. And so uh we were having a um kind of a cyclonic thing in weather. So if you don't know anything about Perth, it doesn't rain very often. So we we were getting some rain. So, apart from preparing the plants and fertilizing and all of that, so the rain's gonna wash it all in. Uh, I have these beautiful wattle birds that come to my backyard. So my excitement was to quickly empty up that bird bath because rainwater, here we come. And it was, I was watching this bird bath overflow and thinking, oh, my wattle birds are gonna be so ecstatic. I I can't wait to hear their conversation when they get in the bath because they love, absolutely love, love, love the rainwater. And second to that, I've got a double infiltration system on my water uh in the in my house. So on the second filtration, they get that water and they said it runs a pretty close second. But please don't give us any of that rubbish you're pouring out of that other tap. So it's really interesting. So they they can be quite picky and pushy, right? So I like to give that to them. If I'm going to clean the patio, I like to say to my spiders and everything three days before, listen, guys, but the hydro cleaner's coming. Me, and every and the blower. I will try to avoid you, but in case I don't, could you clear out? It's in three days' time. Just get most of them leave. Yeah. Right? So it's like having this consideration, like you do for people or animals or insects. If anything's inside the house, I remove it and put it back outside the house because my house sat on their land. So it's like just this concept alone is like always just putting another first before yourself. And it's it's a very, very beautiful feeling. And like you said, the world will change because if everybody did that, then there wouldn't be anything else, because it wouldn't be within your energy or your consciousness anymore to do it. So I think we as humans have just lost our way, Pete. I don't think it's a hopeless case at all, even though a lot of they're all saying that I don't think it is at all, because you can change perception and action within a second. It's just up to a choice, isn't it? It's it's a choice.

SPEAKER_01 41:54

Well, if you put it down to one choice, do you choose pessimism or optimism? And if you choose optimism, you have a different life. If you choose pessimism, you have a crap life.

SPEAKER_04 42:05

Yeah, but people say how can that be? But it actually is. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 42:09

You see it actually does. It's it's the old half glass full and half glass empty. Uh the glass half empty. I mean, it's, you know, what do you see? I mean, I I see limited, unlimited opportunities in that glass. I'm going to enjoy every sip of what's in it.

SPEAKER_04 42:24

Well, you know, even the rain, right? You know, Perth people say, oh, it's raining. Oh, it never rains, right? Oh, three days of rain, can't stand it. You know, it's all wet. And I go, but how beautiful it is. The smell, uh, the the the sound on the roof, but not that. The feeling of it going into the soil, the plants, the grass, just I just I I get excited by rain, as you can hear. So it's just the way you look at it and that perception. And as soon as you change your perception, the whole world can change. And uh and I'm very excited about that because I think you and I both know that 2026 is quite a tr transformational year, even though they say that about a lot of other years, but there's a lot happening in the planet and people think it's chaotic. Uh to me, it's just it's a change to a better direction in many ways. It's a change. I can see old systems coming down and new systems wanting to come up.

SPEAKER_01 43:21

They're collapsing and and they need to collapse so that we can build something better in their place.

SPEAKER_04 43:26

So the next time we have a conversation, well, you know, and it only has to be in a few months because apparently this year is just you know so phenomenal. Now, tell me a little bit about your your book so people know about your books and and what you're talking about in them.

SPEAKER_01 43:43

Yeah. Um the first book is Quantum Consciousness Journey Through Other Realms. Um that was published originally about 10 years ago and then republished uh in 2018 by Llewellyn in America. Uh talks about the whole philosophy of quantum consciousness. How we find this sweet point between consciousness and quantum physics. Um, we put some philosophies and theories together, but on top of that, there's about 17, I think, case studies of different people going to different realms of consciousness, what they find and how it changes their lives. So um a lot of fun assembling that from lots of stories from the network of people that I've trained over the years. So that's the first book. Um I sat down to write the sequel and it just wouldn't come. So when something won't come, you know you're on the wrong path, and it was my dear partner who said to me, Why don't you write a novel? So the next book, uh The Transcendence of Celeste Kelly, is about a quantum physicist who discovers uh consciousness in a new way and sets about to change the world. So without doing too many spoiler alerts on that one because it's a fiction, uh she goes metaphysical. Rather than just quantum physics, it's more quantum metaphysics, I suppose. But she starts to tap into what else is available in the universe that can help humanity go to another level. So yeah, that's that's uh two books.

SPEAKER_04 45:10

Great, yes, yeah. And look, where can people find those books?

SPEAKER_01 45:14

Yeah, look, online bookstores, um, they're different publishers. Uh Llewellyn don't do fiction. So I worked with a fantastic group called Alkira Publishing that are based in New South Wales, down near Coyema, near Wollongong. So um they're available on all the most of the online um platforms, whichever one you choose.

SPEAKER_04 45:34

Um We'll be putting that, of course, in the show notes so people can find them. And what about if they want to find you personally?

SPEAKER_01 45:41

Yeah, me personally. There's a website, quantumconsciousness.com.au, and the organization that I lead, the Institute for Quantum Consciousness, is exactly that InstituteforQuantumconsciousness.com.

SPEAKER_04 45:55

And so we'll put all those in the show notes.

SPEAKER_01 45:57

So people can you're still doing workshops and yeah, yeah, we're training practitioners to use the techniques that we've developed over the years. Um, yeah, absolutely. We've got a public program as well. Um a fellow came from America, did a documentary on the work that we're doing more recently as well. There's information of that on the website as well.

SPEAKER_04 46:16

Well, I think that's very exciting for people who are, you know, this audience today, because you know, they can they can start really getting into this themselves if you have an interest in it and you want to learn more, you can do that. There's books to read, and also just the fascination of talking with you, Pete Smith. I mean, seriously, I loved this. Um I I think it's a big area, but it's also a very fascinating area. It's an area we both work in, but there's just so much to it. You you you just can't even do it justice, even in this time frame. But I'm so grateful to have this conversation with you, and I hope we can do it again sometime.

SPEAKER_01 46:53

Of course, Tricia, great to see you and thanks for the conversation. And to anyone who's out there, I just want to help them to remember, you know, just you are quantum consciousness. You're made out of the same particles as the whole universe itself. The stuff that moves through your body, you're powered by consciousness, but you know, um the same elements that make up our bodies are the ones that they've found in the farther reaches of the universe. So we're walking star dust powered by consciousness.

SPEAKER_04 47:20

I love that. Thank you so much, Pete. Thank you so much again. And uh I'm sure everybody will love listening to this and finding you out there. Thank you so much. Bye bye. What an incredible conversation. If this episode stirred something within you, a sense of curiosity, remembrance, or even a deeper connection to yourself, then take a moment to sit with that. Because these shifts in awareness are where true transformation begins. Pete's work through the Institute for Quantum Consciousness, including the Living Quantum Consciousness Programme, is all about helping you reconnect with your own inner knowing, your own light, and expand beyond the limitations of what you thought was possible. Because the truth is, was so much more than we've been led to believe.

SPEAKER_03 48:14

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SPEAKER_04 48:46

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SPEAKER_03 52:10

Next up, Animal News with Trisha and Donna.

SPEAKER_00 52:16

So this next article I want to talk to you about is got a bit of a controversial topic, but I think we definitely need to talk about this because, as uh I guess as a civilization, we are getting quite advanced. So we need to be able to start discuss these things and whether we should be doing these things. So Tom Brady in the States, he, as his dog, his beautiful dog Lua, was almost about to pass, he took some blood and he had the company called Colossal take of that, take that blood and develop a clone of his dog. Now, the dog's name is Arnie, and the dog is said genetically is exactly like his previous dog Lua. He was so devastated when she passed, his family was very devastated, and so they wanted to clone another dog just like her. They do understand, it says in the article, you know, that they do understand this not exactly like their original dog Lua. However, it it is still it's psych physically that she's everything that they wanted her to be. And so I think this is quite a controversial topic. It's something we definitely need to discuss because this is something that's gonna keep happening. This particular company, as well, has also been responsible for trying to bring back the woolly mammoth, extinct woolly mammoth. Don't know how it's gonna go on this planet, and also brought back the direwolves. So I think we need to talk about this and um let's see how we go. So, what do you think about this, Tricia?

SPEAKER_04 53:44

Well, there's so much to unpack, Donna. I mean, we could be unpacking for days uh with all that info. Look, I I have to say it it is controversial, and what we say here is, of course, mostly our opinion. You know, we've all everybody's going to have an opinion on it. But I think more importantly for us is to get people to ask questions about the relevance and, you know, perhaps would they do it and things like that so they can get thinking about it. Because we don't know with technology the way it is, you know, it could be next week that everybody can go clone their dog. And there will be people on this planet that think that's a novel idea. Some will do it because of, you know, feelings from the heart, but I do want to point out, just as the article did, it's not quite the same dog. So can we unpack that first? So with I don't know how they with the cloning, they're they're duplicating, I would imagine, just like when you clone things from your computer, you you're duplicating. So if you're duplicating uh your dog's cells, your dog's um genetic makeup, you know, the DNA, then you're creating a physical duplicate. But the thing that's missing is the soul essence, and that's why the dog's not quite the same. So Arnie is not Lua, is it? Is not Lua because the soul of Lua can it be? Well, yes, um, it's possible that that soul can decide to go into um that clone being, but there's something that tells me with a cloned being, there's something a little bit artificial about it. So obviously there is a soul in their dog. So that's still happening. It's still a vehicle, it's still a vesicle. I understand that. But isn't the reason that you want your dog back, horse, bird, fish, isn't the reason. Uh let's not forget the cats, or I'll be in a lot of trouble. Um, if we don't get them back, uh we're looking for our specific animal. So Lua was Lua because of her personality, because of her traits, because of who she was. And this dog might have some similar things, but majority will not will be. It's it's like when you have two dogs, they're like chalk and cheese. They're they're two different personalities. We're looking for the personality because it's the relationship that we had with that animal that we're looking for. Or, or so I would think. Would you not, Dana? Would you not be thinking it's the personality, it's it's what makes them who they are, that you're trying to, it's not just trying to get another German shepherd or trying to get a bulldog. It's it's really trying to replicate your animal and your animal, the soul, is what makes it that animal.

SPEAKER_00 56:36

Yeah, look, I think that's what people are trying to do. Um, we know, as we both really know, in especially in this in this work as animal whisperers, people are so grief-stricken and so devastated when they lose their loved ones. When they lose their animals, it's for some people that's all they have. It's all there is is those loved ones. And so they'll do almost anything to get them back. But like you said, that that relationship, that spirit that is in that cloned animal, it's not the same. So it's you may forever be trying to fill that void and trying to make that work and putting through this process, and I'm sure it's a very expensive process to make that happen. It's it's more like a you're putting yourself in time. It's like you're pausing yourself to not move forward because you don't want to let go of the relationship you have with that animal. And yes, it can, I'm sure it can be absolutely devastating and hard to be able to, how do you live your life without them again? How do you live your life without that that animal again? And I think it poses a lot of questions, especially for us, because we know we we know what you know how the animals are, how it works here on this planet. If you do put that in, if you do create that cloned animal, well, how are you not making space for maybe the next best animal that's coming for you, that's meant to be with you? Are you going to be open to that? Will you see it? It's a little bit interesting, don't you think?

SPEAKER_04 58:00

Yeah, but also if you've got Arnie and it's now no longer really Lua, are you not expecting Arnie to be Lua? So you're going to encourage Arnie to be doing similar things, going to similar places to get back those moments, and you can't. The truth is you can't. If you communicate with those animals, and I'm sure that Arnie is grateful to be with these people, but wants to be Arnie. It's the same when you lose an animal and you get another animal. Some people can't let go of the last animal. So that so the current animal is living, you know, in the shadow of another being. Is that fair? Do you want to do that? If you came into the world and they had lost a child, do you want to be the substitute of the other child? No, you want to be who you are and you want to be deemed that way. I think people have to learn to say, I loved you, I loved every moment I had with you. And they're not really gone, it's just their physical body. They're still, in essence, very much around you. And we will cover this in some afterlife talk for sure. There's a very big component there, but you have to honor and know that that time frame was specific in a plan of yours and theirs. And they were here for those that time frame and then they left. And now it's time for a new energy. Do they come back? Can they reincarnate? Yes, they can. If they choose to, if it's relevant to something that they want they need to do with you. They don't just come back because you miss them. It's not like that. It's like, am I in need of that personality? That's why this cloning thing doesn't quite work out for me, because they come back if there is a need. So the purpose they had with you, if that purpose is still there or something hasn't been achieved, they may come back. Otherwise, they would be happy to send another energy that you need more. You need more. It's going to be much more beneficial for you. And they're happy with that. And I think we have to be happy with that and let them go because it's a very big area. It really is.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:14

Yeah, it's definitely going to be one we'll be discussing again, I'm sure, as I said, as much more as you know, civilization continues on, the tech gets more advanced. Um, I think it's a question we have to keep asking. Should we really be doing this? Because it's it's not never going to be truly replacing them. It's never going to be 100%. And I think it people will want to move on. I think you really do want to. You want to know that you can.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:39

Yeah, I just I I'm just really stuck for knowing why they want to do that. It's a memory and it's a beautiful memory, and you can't have them back because of the soul essence. You're only getting a physical body. So if you had, like I said, a German shepherd, you might as well just go get another German shepherd with the same colourings because it's not going to be the same animal. Now, the other thing we need to unpack is the woolly mammoth. Now, I'm not sure. And look, I I haven't studied the article. I haven't looked at the research involving cloning the woolly mammoth. Maybe they want to understand it. Maybe they think they'll understand better what was around at that time and and that sort of thing. But cloning a woolly mammoth to come into the now, it's part of our past. It is not something of our future. And I just don't really see the relevance and I don't see why. What would a if you if you're only going to have a certain gene pool? So how are you going to replicate this? And are you just going to have one woolly mammoth that's going to be on its own and just sat there because somebody wants to exploit it in a laboratory situation? I I, you know, what's in it for the woolly mammoth? You know, does it want to be the only woolly mammoth? Nothing wants to be the only one. They'll want a group. And like most herd animals or those sort of animals like elephants are nowadays, they are definitely in herds. So it's not going to be conducive. And I think scientists need to really, really sit back and say, what is the relevance? And anything they do, they need to see both sides of the story and definitely have benefits on both sides.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:21

We'll be looking forward to looking at to exploring that and finding out more.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:26

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