The Language of Consciousness: Animals, Reality & Interconnection Part 1

🌿 Episode Description

In this expansive episode of Animal Talk with Trisha McCagh, Trisha welcomes Duncan Roads, long-time editor and owner of Nexus Magazine, a globally respected publication exploring consciousness, alternative science, hidden history, health, geopolitics, and unexplained phenomena.

Together they explore consciousness as the foundation of reality and discuss how perception, belief, and awareness may shape our experience of the world. Animal communication is examined not as a mystical ability, but as a natural expression of a shared field of consciousness that connects all living beings.

Drawing on decades of research through Nexus Magazine, Duncan discusses psychic development programs, remote viewing, anomalous phenomena, and reports of non-human intelligence, including Bigfoot and Yowie encounters. Trisha shares her experiences communicating with animals, plants, nature, and even biological systems, highlighting the interconnected intelligence present throughout life.

The conversation also examines media influence, collective belief systems, intuition, healing, and the role intention plays in shaping both relationships and reality itself.

This thought-provoking episode invites listeners to expand their understanding of consciousness, communication, and humanity's relationship with the wider intelligence of life.

🐾 Episode Highlights

• Consciousness and the work of Nexus Magazine
• Animal communication as shared awareness
• Psychic research and remote viewing
• Bigfoot, Yowie, and anomalous intelligence reports
• Plant intelligence and consciousness experiments
• Media influence on perception and belief
• Communication with animals, nature, and the body
• Intention, awareness, and reality creation

🐶 Key Takeaways

• Consciousness may underpin all life and reality
• Animal communication reflects interspecies awareness
• Intelligence exists beyond human-centred definitions
• Perception and intention influence lived experience
• Communication extends beyond language into consciousness

⏱️ Episode Chapters

00:00 Introduction
00:56 Duncan Roads joins the conversation
01:44 Nexus Magazine & consciousness
03:05 Animal communication & awareness
06:33 Consciousness, ET life & intelligence
07:51 Psychic research programs
11:41 Remote viewing & perception training
16:17 Bigfoot/Yowie accounts
20:29 Shared consciousness & animals
23:12 Media influence on perception
25:24 Reality, belief systems & awareness
30:31 Animal and plant communication story
39:23 Intention and nature agreements
47:48 Communication with the body
50:54 Cellular awareness & healing
53:38 Expanding consciousness beyond Earth systems

🐾 Animal News

Dana Saidi shares the story of a silverback gorilla initially believed to be acting aggressively when charging a human campsite. It was later discovered he was searching for infants taken by poachers. Once understood, efforts were coordinated to rescue and reunite the family.

The episode also discusses Rafiki, the well-known Ugandan silverback who was killed while protecting his troop during a poaching incident. These stories highlight the importance of understanding animal perspectives, emotional intelligence, and protective behaviour in wildlife conservation.

👤 About the Guest

Duncan Roads is the editor and owner of Nexus Magazine, an internationally recognised publication covering consciousness, alternative science, ancient mysteries, health, geopolitics, and unexplained phenomena. His work has introduced readers worldwide to ideas that challenge conventional thinking and expand awareness.

www.nexusmagazine.com

🔮 Coming Up in Part 2

Trisha and Duncan continue exploring consciousness, perception, Aboriginal prophecy perspectives, and humanity's evolving understanding of interconnected reality.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:02

Welcome back to Animal Talk with Trisha McKay, where we explore the deeper connections between our world, consciousness, and the animals who share this journey with us. Today's guest brings a fascinating lens to the conversation. Duncan Rhodes is the longtime owner and editor of Nexus Magazine, a publication known worldwide for exploring alternative science, hidden history, health, and the mysteries that often sit just outside mainstream awareness. With decades of experience curating thought-provoking ideas and perspectives, Duncan has been at the forefront of conversations that challenge conventional thinking and invite us to question what we believe to be true. In this episode, we explore the intersection of consciousness, unseen forces, and how expanding our awareness may also deepen our connection to both animals and the natural world. Get ready for a conversation that opens doors and perhaps even shifts your perspective.

SPEAKER_01 0:59

We're so thrilled to tell you this episode of Animal Talk with Trisha McKay is brought to you by Nexus Magazine. Look for Nexus Magazine at your local newsstand, or you can buy it online from NexusMagazine.com.

SPEAKER_02 1:11

Duncan, welcome to Animal Talk. I'm so thrilled of having you here. But of course, we do know each other from uh previous times.

SPEAKER_03 1:21

I am equally thrilled, and I'm so pleased and proud of you both for um getting this project up and running. The world really needs to uh hear more of this topic.

SPEAKER_02 1:30

Oh. Thanks, Duncan. Well, I'm glad that you're part of it because you and I met quite a few years ago. Um we're not going to be talking about our age because we're only spring chickens, but we did meet quite a few years ago, and uh you were actually holding a conference to do with all of this sort of knowledge and way beyond. And I had the privilege of speaking at a couple of your conferences, so I really enjoyed that, and I'm sure that your audience got a little bit of a different look at things when uh everything was all animals.

SPEAKER_03 1:59

Absolutely. The Nexus conferences, we've probably organized around 30 Nexus conferences starting in the early 90s. We haven't done any since COVID. Um, and the conferences typically reflect what's the the range of topics in the magazine. So there'll be geopolitics, there'll be alternative health, there'll be um mad science or fringe science as we call it, um, the paranormal UFOs and unexplained. And I'd like to try and have at um at the Nexus conferences someone talking about what I would call the topic of consciousness and how we um interconnect with um other species on the planet. So, and you were one of the best. Having an animal communicator in Australia, um like yourself, um, it was just brilliant. I mean, yeah, your your the the your talks were absolutely brilliant. They stuck in my mind forever to help shape some of the my perspectives on things. And um more power to you. We need more people learning um the fact that animals can hear us, and it's just a case of we need to wake up to it and respond.

SPEAKER_02 3:04

Fabulous. Well, I loved speaking about it, obviously, and thank you so much for that. It's very, very, very kind of you. So, what I wanted to ask you is uh what do you think of, well, obviously you you you're quite high it's quite high on the agenda, but what do you actually think of animal communication?

SPEAKER_03 3:20

Well, it's I think it's something that humans had a very long time ago, and um it went from a conscious to a subconscious and instinctive thing. And I feel, I mean, as you know, in Exos magazine we have we cover a lot of topics. The topics of UFOs and ETs has been very big, and a lot of people are hoping for this thing called disclosure where the government tells them what to believe about the fact that we're not alone. Most people on the planet have figured out we're not alone, and there's this background idea that, you know, we need to realize we're not alone and start communicating with, you know, other other visitors. But I've often said and thought, and even written in my editorials, is we we exist on a planet full of other life forms. And ETs are basically another life form. So, you know, we've got humanoid life forms on Earth and we've got non-human life forms on Earth. And science has shown over the decades, um, which we've put in the magazine, that plants and um living and trees, etc., human cells respond to uh human intention and can be measured on scientific equipment, showing needles going off and things like that. So we know that plants are very aware and responsive to human intention, and people have figured out by having pets pretty much the same thing with animals for those who pay attention. So for a lot of humans, it's not going to be a big surprise that we have our thoughts are heard by our pets, and it's probably an exciting idea that we can have a two-way communication with our loved ones or pets. So I've often said that I don't feel mankind, let's let's put it this way, if I was an alien visiting Earth, I'd be a bit hesitant with communicating with the earthlings until the earthlings had evolved to the point where they recognized the sovereignty of all the other life forms on the planet on which they exist and had good communications with them. So in other words, once we've got good relationships and recognition of sovereignty of life forms on this earth, I feel we qualify to be admitted into galactic civilizations because it doesn't really matter the shape, size, or even the physical density of a life form, if it's if it's there and real, um, communication is possible. It's just a matter of figuring out how and where. And people like yourself are literally at the forefront of opening up that door. I mean, in many ways, my perception of your work has been that it's not just communicating with animals, you can communicate with animals after they've passed on. So, you know, they're now still a life form, they're just not in a physical body, they're in a non-physical body. But their consciousness, their intelligence, and their you know, presence of memory is still there. And I suspect, as we were talking earlier, that, you know, one day you'll be branching out more into communicating with plants, um, animals, and maybe some of the more um tantalizingly strange life forms that appear to come and go, like what we would call Yowies or Bigfoot, or maybe the fairies and the elemental kingdoms. So, you know, we're still discovering the life forms that coexist in and around Earth, and um they don't just have to come from the stars. So animal communication to me is the thin end of the wedge of opening up communication with all um life forms and all species, and the recognition of sovereignty and the respect that goes with that.

SPEAKER_02 6:47

Well, it's interesting, Duncan, because you we're talking about all life forms, whether they're involved with, you know, um animals, elementals, plants, you know, because I pretty much communicate with most things, but it's it's not really that they're not there or they're uh they're not real, not to us, because you know, and there'll be people listening to this that have had experiences with all of these things. But what's interesting is that we're just waiting for science to catch up, and science is catching up to a certain degree, it's just slower than what we're experiencing things. That's what I've found anyway. And, you know, look, science is great because most of the humans on this planet think that's the way of proving things, but we've also known that, you know, science can say something one minute and two years later can say something completely different. Sometimes you just have to know within the very essence of your being what you're seeing, what you're experiencing, and what you're hearing. And I think once we take on that sort of confidence, uh, well, and I'm and I'm sure many people are, uh, the whole world is going to change, especially in information. So that's that's what I've found anyway. You've had an experience in Russia and to do with children and the Nexus magazine, which you've been running for many years and been the editor of. So tell us the story, the Russian story. The Russian story, wow.

SPEAKER_03 8:08

Okay. Well, would have been 15, 20 years ago. Um, there was a Russian author and researcher who had we'd been in touch with, whose articles we'd been publishing in um Nexus magazine. His name is Valerie Uvarov. He um speaks excellent English as well as Russian. And he would be um, let's put it this way, he's very well known in Russia because of his TV appearances. So he, if you can imagine something like exfiles or ancient aliens in Russia, and um him being the main host and introducer of it, um, that's really who he was. So he had a decent profile in Russia, like when we walked down on the streets of St. Petersburg, lots of people recognized him. Some people wanted selfies, and um, oh, it was good mutual respect, etc. He'd written some very interesting articles in the magazine. I won't go into them, but it got to the point and had him speak at several Nexus conferences, and then one day he reached out and said that he was part of an organization in St. Petersburg, Russia, and they were very interested in publishing Nexus magazine in Russian language, and you know, would I be interested in discussing it? And I had planned, rough plans for a trip to Europe around that time, so I um organized to go and visit um the organization in St. Petersburg in Russia, which is an interesting experience. The organization was that um that organized this and who I met with, who I met with the people, um, is sort of secret back then, and the it was it was housed in a massive building, which took up most of a block in St. Petersburg, multi-story brick, a nondescript, and um the whole building was part of this organization's agenda. And so, you know, we I I went into one of their meeting rooms, very high security at the front. You were totally scanned, so it the whole building would be considered uh almost a skiff. Um, so communication equipment is taken and monitored or given back to you at certain points, and the guards, guards at the doors, etc. And anyway, we went into a meeting and there was a big round table with a whole lot of people, and we were beginning the discussions, and um I basically said, so why are you interested in publishing Nexus in Russian? And um, and what is the nature of your organization? And they said something very interesting, which I'll throw in because it's sort of part of the Russian story that people want me to tell. The um organization was called the National Security Academy, and um it was created at the behest of Putin, under his direct orders, and also Medvedev, his second in command, was very much involved at the top. And the organization, the building that had apparently, this is what they told me, the building was housing all the all the um civilian and military UFO files and records, all information and files to do with anomalous archaeological findings across Russia, most of which had not been made public. Um information on strange creatures, um, strange astronomical stuff. So in other words, it was like a huge X-files building, um, full of all the weird stuff and and um things to do with. And they said, We we we are tasked to bring the Russian public up to a point of understanding about the real world. And I said, Well, what do you mean? And they said, Well, this is what we're told. They they told me that Putin believes that at some point in the future the Russian general public will wake up one day and the West won't be there as they knew it before. And I asked, Does this mean an asteroid or alien invasion, a plague, um, World War III? They didn't know. They just know that he expects the wet the Russian people to wake up one day and the West is not going to be there as it was before. And so he wanted the Russian people to be able to withstand this sort of um existential shock, if you like. And Russian people are pretty pragmatic. I mean, they stand a lot of shocks anyway. But he wanted, and I said, What do you mean? And they said, Well, we need to bring the Russian people up to speed on the fact that we're not alone in the universe, that this civilization is not the first high-tech civilization, and that we share the planet and the uh immediate environs with many other life forms, some of which are quite intelligent. And um, we intend to get this information out to the Russian public via billboards and posters, um, newspaper articles, magazines and magazine articles, concerts, displays and shows, and TV shows. So a multi-year program of bringing the Russian public up to speed that the most of the X-Files world is a lot more real, and it's nothing to be shocked or scared about. Um, they said to me, we want the trains to keep running on time, we want the food supply and the social infrastructure to stay in place. We don't want people in shock and not turning up to work, we want everything to keep working the next day. And um so then we got on to discussing some of the actual details of publishing the magazine in Russia and and stuff. And then we went on a tour of the building, and um we walked past a uh a very ornate-looking office with guards out the out the front, and and I looked inquiringly at my at Valerie and said, you know, what's going on in there? And he said, that is a um uh literally a replica working um office for Putin. So when Putin's here, he can walk into that office and he's connected to everything seamlessly. And um, you know, there's magic buttons and things in there that I guess he had need for. And um, so anyway, we were walking past a um we were walking past what looked like a row of classrooms. And as we were walking down the corridor, I could see through the windows that there were about 20 or 30, you know, students. Looked looked like they were about, I don't know, anywhere from 16 to 26 in in um male and female in classrooms. And I said, Oh, what's going on in there? And they said, Well, these are the the students that we've identified across Russia who have certain skills. And um I said, tell me more. And they said, Well, we sort of have got different forms of IQ tests and surveys, as does the West. So we can identify students that go into the education system if they've got certain abilities. Uh, and basically they're talking about some psychic skills or psychic abilities, is what we would call them. And um, and some of the classrooms were sort of specializing in telekinesis, others were types of remote viewing or bilocating or something similar. And um, we'd stopped outside one particular classroom, and the guide said, Would you like a demonstration? I said, Sure. So he knocked on the door, stops the class. There was a teacher at the front and a whiteboard, probably about 20 or 30 students. So he knocked on the door, the teacher stopped talking, came to the door, let us in, they um talked for a bit in Russian, and then um lots of nodding of heads, and we went into the classroom, and the teacher pointed at some guy in the audience who stood up and um he got a big scarf and started to put it around the the guy's face, and um they said to me, write something down on this piece of paper and this guy will read it out to you. And I thought to myself, I'm gonna do something a bit better than that. I said, Look, under my arm, I said there's a copy of the latest issue of Nexus magazine. It's hot off the press in Australia. No one outside my office has seen it. It's rolled up, I haven't shown it to any staff. I said, Can he read me the editorial on page two while it's rolled up under my arm? And no kidding, he started reading out the words in English, and any word he didn't understand, he spelled it out while blindfolded facing the other direction. And um, that's just one kid in one classroom. So in terms of psychic espionage and psychic viewing, it sort of makes you realise that maybe at the top there are no secrets, and a lot of what we see going on geopolitically is more to control the bottom.

unknown 16:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:39

So that's the Russian story.

SPEAKER_02 16:42

Well, that's look, that's amazing. And look, I'm not saying that there's not other countries that were conducting that.

SPEAKER_03 16:49

But I'd like to add one more thing though. While I was there, I had requested to meet with several of their scientists, and they had top-level scientists um specializing in what we call cryptozoology, which is a study of things like their Russian Bigfoot and other strange creatures. And I met with two of the Russian scientists with an interpreter, and no kidding, the the Bigfoot all across Russia, exactly the same as the one in Australia or North America. The size, the um the super strength, the smell, um, the temperament, and the ability to appear and disappear. So that, you know, there is definitely almost a global population of what we would call Bigfoot or Yaowie or Susquotch or whatever, but all across northern Russia.

SPEAKER_02 17:31

That they know about they know about and they're accepting. And everybody else is sort of going, Oh, you know, is this mythical? This this is what I'm finding quite interesting. Um, that there's other countries that, because you were talking about what that guy was doing with your magazine, you know, remote viewing or, you know, a psychic viewing, uh, which I actually teach in in my programs, right? So because I do it myself. So we start off with basic stuff, like, you know, um, you can be looking at at a picture of a drawer, and there'll be things in there, but it's just a picture that they're looking at, and they can look through the wood of that drawer and see what's in there and name things. So this is something I've known about for a long time. And it's just interesting because has science caught up with it? Well, it obviously has in Russia, and I would go on to say it has in the US and perhaps China and science is way more ahead than the public realise.

SPEAKER_03 18:25

It's just kept secret and suppressed because it's it's so advanced and you just can't let it out in today's, you know, it's a world of crazy people.

SPEAKER_02 18:33

Yeah, exactly. They know a lot more than they're ever saying. But for us that practice it, it's quite daily for us. Like I've already seen it, experienced it, I teach it, I've seen other people do it, they're amazed. You know, to the point where we do things like um, say you have a lost animal, and so we're teaching our students to find lost animals. It's a big subject. So we'll just presume the animal is lost in this particular instance because sometimes they're not. But just say we that they are. We're teaching that person to actually go put their consciousness, because that's what we're talking about, isn't it, with everything. We're talking about consciousness. So they put their consciousness inside that animal. So they're visualizing the animal, they put consciousness in there and they begin to look out of the animal's eyes. Now, I've done this myself, and when I've done lost animals, I don't do them anymore. But when I was doing them, and I'd come up with these street names, and I'd see the house that they're in front of and what it looks like and the number. And you could give this information to the person, and they'd go there and say, now that if the if the dog that they're looking for wasn't still there, it's because dogs move, they don't just sit in front of the house. So I looked at them at 2 p.m. on a Saturday afternoon, that's where they were. But funnily enough, they went there and a person said, Oh yeah, I remember that dog because I gave it a bowl of water and it was here, and it was in front of my house. So it's interesting, and they'll even show you the cars, and so you're looking at their levels. So this has been going on for a long time with communicators and and various things. So this is nothing new, but I'm hoping that the listeners realize that there's so much out there that just because you don't know about it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And science, in certain ways, is right up there and knows all of this stuff. And you you've just given us a little glimpse of that, but we probably times it by a thousand and then we'd be maybe close, you know? And I guess that your magazine um will inform people about things that they more than likely didn't know. And that's what I loved about it and why I wanted to speak at your conference. So do you think do you think animal communication is evidence of a shared field of consciousness?

SPEAKER_03 20:43

100%. I think most religions and a lot of people in the sort of consciousness community have sort of the idea of oneness, be we're all aspects of God. Um I think is a common shared um sort of belief. Like God's the ocean, we're individual drops of water, we r we retain sort of individuality. At the same time, we're part of a shared whole. It's all really a matter of of um where you choose to focus your attention and and your where you choose to focus your perspective. So, I mean, technically, you know, in that particular case, we should if we all remembered that and kept it at the forefront of our minds, there'd be no wars, hate, fear, or greed. There'd be humans would be working together because that was the most logical and obvious thing to do. Um and that would extend into all the other kingdoms, the animal kingdom as well. So yeah, I I totally believe that. And I feel that's the mechanism um for it. I don't see an external field that some people would would um you know describe. To me, the field is all consciousness. The um I mean I I'm a believer that consciousness is prime and um everything else is literally subjective to consciousness and yet. Interpretation of consciousness. So reality, in my view, and you know, which is based on a lot of science, is reality is um is not fixed. We don't all share the same fixed planet. We share what we think is the same fixed planet, but in in reality, um, reality is very fluid. People are visiting our our reality from other timelines, everything in the world is the same except for the positioning of the um office cubicles at work. Or um, I mean, just there's just so many examples. If you if you are like me and you spend time on the fringe looking at all the um the grey areas of reality, the time slip stories, the timeline stories, um coincidences feed into this. I mean, if people haven't recognised the that a coincidence literally is a living proof of evidence in front of your eyes that we um, in my opinion, we are all one. And um and more more so that we are steering our experience of what we call reality based on what we believe and what we expect to happen, which is you know literally an extension of our beliefs. So in the in the sense that we're getting into, I mean, I would say we do create our reality, but from the point of view is we create our experience of reality because reality is not there. All we have is an experience of what we call reality. Um and so we do we do change and create um what our experiences are. So we can change our experience.

SPEAKER_02 23:33

I just want to put it out there for the audience. Like, for instance, if we continue, and look, this is not a slur at anyone in particular, but if we continue to listen to the media and the media is directing us all down one funnel, then all of our consciousness is going down that funnel and virtually creating the experiences we see. So if that's the case, imagine if we just forget all that and put an amazing consciousness out there, uh, a belief, and we start to funnel greatness, goodness, inspiration, love. That let that everybody can have their own beliefs, but we don't have to act on it. We don't have to be aggressive with it. We could change the whole funnel, and we could all be going down a much better funnel. And I think that this is why we talk about this because we think that we know humans are influenced by so many things, and it and they bit they need to be careful what they listen to, what they watch, and what that experience is, because we're all living on the planet. Why are some people's experiences better than others purely because of what we talked about? So I imagine if we got the collected consciousness to all go down a better funnel, the world would be experiencing, or we would be experiencing a better reality in where we are right now. So that I think it's a big thing, you know, because people don't realize how simple that is. And that's why sometimes when something happens across the world, you know, there have been times in history, even in my lifetime, where it's been a better decade or a better couple of years than other years because of where that energy is being funneled. Simple as that, and the belief of what's happening at the time, because a lot of what we see and hear is actually not what we have to or what it is in actual reality. It's just where the that particular area wants to take the funnel. So, you know, I say to people out there, have your own funnel or join in with other people on a better funnel and get in a whole different ball game. And like you said, we wouldn't have to experience any of that. I think it's really important and I think people are waking up to it. I really do.

SPEAKER_03 25:40

100%. And I I would advise people if you think you're able to watch the six o'clock news on TV or on YouTube and not be affected by it, you are dreaming. Everything, everything about getting, I mean, the the whole of the media is is you literally the mainstream media is your enemy. They have no intention of telling you truth. They tell you what they want you to think about and often which which side to think about. And they are using technology at a level which most people are just shocked to find out. Right down to the screens that you're looking at the TV or the computer on, they have a choice of all different types of light and and parts of the spectrum to use. They pick the blue light because the blue light suppresses dopamine, and when you're watching TV and other things, you're not going to get the um the dopamine rush. You're going to feel depressed and despondent. You're going to feel powerless when you watch the six o'clock news. And um, and they still do the you know, required, you know, all this doom and gloom, and then at the end there's a baby panda born somewhere, and that's literally the honey to swallow the the stuff. And, you know, I there are people who read my magazine and it's taking them geopolitically out there, then they watch the news and they come back and say, but you know, this is on all the news stations, and I'm saying to you, anything to do with geopolitics on the mainstream news, you flip it 180 degrees. The guys they're saying are bad are not bad. The guys they're saying are good are not they're not good. And better still, just turn it off because it's absolute. It's calculated and do it. The flicker rate of the old screens, the um I mean, it's all intelligence community crafted wording um to keep you on side with wars, to keep you on side with the empire, uh, blah, blah, blah. And that's literally why I've been doing Nexus magazine for and other magazines for over 40 years, is because there are people out there looking for different perspectives on on reality, and they're not huge in number, but they've certainly grown over the decades. And uh I think a lot of people are being born on the planet with the um expanded awareness. So they're picking up on a lot of this stuff and taking it further. I mean, you're one of those people. I mean, look at your life. I mean Exactly. You're one of those four people who've, you know, were mainstream and then they've they've hit the perimeters and have gone further, whether it's with a breakthrough science or they've cured themselves of cancer, or they got taken on a UFO and had a fully conscious conversation, a tour of a galaxy, and put back five minutes later, and you know, they come back and they expect to be on the news or whatever, and they're treated like idiots or even worse, suppressed or threatened. And uh Duncan, mainstream is so controlled, and I think everyone knows that.

SPEAKER_02 28:18

That's what I'm trying to say.

SPEAKER_03 28:19

Yeah, it's worse than you think.

SPEAKER_02 28:21

It's way worse than that. Well, intelligence tells you, for instance, let's just go back to the basics and say about the news. I've got two things to say on that. The first thing is your intelligence tells you that the whole world is not made up of bad news. There is so many amazing and good things going on, but they don't want to report that because that's not going to bring the crowd and that's not going to take you down a particular funnel. But let's talk about another thing. So I have Shay, a cat, and my cat, he would be sleeping on the couch. And my partner at the time loved the news. I'm not a lover of the news, but he was a lover of the news. Every time he put the news on at six o'clock, Shay, after a few minutes of it being on, would wake up, look over at the TV, get off the couch, and go to another room. Now that's an animal of a totally different consciousness who doesn't follow any of that but goes purely on energy. And when I said to him, Why do you always leave when the news comes on? And he said, Because the energy is not good.

SPEAKER_03 29:20

I think they they look they have technology to put nasty energy out on certain TV shows or all through your electrical system at a certain time of night. The technology they have to, but the news is when they focus um their subliminals and other energies. And yeah, cats I 100% believe can pick up on it, and that's why they'll leave the room. It's why I say do not watch six o'clock news, just don't watch it. No, it's better off to read the newspaper because you've got a lot more control over the technology that you know isn't isn't amplifying your brains and changing your blood chemistry in order to make sure you swallow that pill.

SPEAKER_02 29:58

Energy goes where your focus is. So I just say put your focus on something great, and that's why this show is about you know animals and nature and all of that stuff, because that's where we really want to go. And when we do, wow, my whole experience of this planet planet and my life changed immediately when I get into these things. And so I walk around very happy most of the time because of that, and I just surround myself, you know, in that. But also, I do talk to plants, as you know. What do you think about plant communication? Do you feel like it's the same as the animal communication?

SPEAKER_03 30:34

Can I use this as a segue into uh our Tasmanian story? Yes. Okay, so for those who not I mean, so I was born in England, we emigrated to Tasmania when I was about four, three and a half or four. And we had a farm in northern Tasmania, and boy, it was a tough time. We had droughts, we had caterpillar plagues, um, we were um mainly um cattle, we had dairy, beef, we had pigs and chickens. And around 1972, 1973, my parents sort of out of the blue started thinking, what's what's the meaning of life? Why are we here? You know, all these events happened, and we've moved to the other side of the planet, and then we spotted an advert in the local newspaper, some American guy had moved to the district. And in Tasmania in the 60s, 70s, you know, everything's pretty small, and the mainland is this big place that you never ever think you're ever going to visit. And um, this guy put an ad in the newspaper for speed reading courses, and I thought, oh, I want to go to uni, and speed reading might might give me an advantage. So we went to speed reading introductory talk to see if we wanted to sign up. And um he basically told the little group about positive thinking and recommended a book called Psychocybernetics, which is very much just positive thinking. But again, it's where you're choosing to focus your attention and positive outlook. And that was like an absolute mind-blower because we were a typical traditional middle class, you know, British farming family, moved to Tasmania where we're just, you know, reproducing it. And like we we shot snakes when we saw them, thinking we're doing everyone a favour. Um, you know, that that sort of thing. Um, being on a farm is a bit bit tough on animals and plants. And when we had this awakening of reading about positive thinking, all these coincidences popped in, and before long we'd heard about a intentional spiritual community in the north of Scotland. A community was called Findhorn, and it's still there today, but uh Findhorn was in its sort of early years back then, and there was a lot of rah rah about it because it didn't have any particular dogma or any particular, you know, religion or ism, and they didn't really have a huge leadership structure. They had sort of focalizers and a core group, but no single personality that the whole community revolved around and took, you know, instructions from. Um they all meditated, believed in God, um, you know, very sort of new age in many ways, without being too woo-woo. But one of the big things about the Findhorn community that caught our attention, and particularly my father, was they had a person living there called Rock Ogil V. Crombie. And he um was able to communicate with plants, and so well that he was able to get roses blooming in um wintertime in the snow and talking to cabbages, and you know, there was one cabbage which grew to 40 pounds, and many other examples where it was the plants were clearly behaving um with the instruction of the humans, you know, there was a cooperation, and that blew my dad's mind. The whole idea that you could communicate with plants and animals, and you know, it was just like boom. And so we all started meditating and doing yoga and eating health foods, and and then we started to think, well, why don't we at least try um, you know, communicating with animals? And we started off, we were feeling a little bit bad about letting the local hunters come up and shoot the wallabies, because we just figured wallabies um eat grass, you know, cattle eat grass, so therefore the wallabies are competition and uh blah, blah, blah. And um, so kind of a long story short, we stopped the hunters coming up. We basically said, look, I'm sorry, but you know, no more hunting up here. And we we said to the snake kingdom, um, if you don't come into the house and if you don't kill any more cattle, we won't kill any more snakes. And most of the snakes in Tasmania are pretty deadly. You've got the tiger snake, and I think the copperhead, and they can be quite aggressive, and there was plenty of them. And after we made that arrangement, we never lost any cattle to snake bite, and we never saw them around the house. And um, so we sort of you know got a bit blase and sort of forgot about it, and same with the hunter one. And then one day we thought, well, we've got to move the entire herd of cattle from the 50-acre paddock to uh another paddock, which means we could probably take half the data, round the cattle up, get them to the gate, push them through, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And we thought, why don't we mentally ask the herd of cows to be at the gate in the morning and be ready to be moved into the paddock? And that started to work. I mean, there were a few stragglers, but we didn't have to spend hours, you know, going around the entire paddock to get the whole herd through the thing. So that was all working very well and good. And then we got more and more into the spiritual side of stuff, and my parents uh wanted to help start a spiritual community like Findhorn in Australia, which we ended up doing, and it became the Homeland Foundation Centre of Light at the back of Bellingen in the mid-70s. But what happened was when we when we decided we wanted to do all this, we put our farm on the market and decided to travel around the country looking at other intentional communities before we picked a spot, and hopefully we were manifesting people and money and the right place. We drew up a prayer of manifestation with all these things we wanted on the final property for this spiritual community, the type of people, the size of the property. And funnily enough, um the the outcome was exactly what was on that list. But I just want to jump back a bit. So we put the farm on the market, and um it went on the in the newspapers and internationally, the small you know, 350-acre farm um at the foothills of Mount Arthur in northern Tasmania, and um a butcher by trade had retired, uh based in Sydney, I think, and he'd seen the ad in the paper and he bought it on spec. So there was no physical handover of the property. We packed up and moved out, and about three days later the butcher moved in and on to the land, did an inspection tour of the farm and everything that he'd bought, sight unseen, and moved in. And um the rest of the story we got from one of the um local friends, and I think some of it was even in the newspapers too, although I've never gone back and looked up the newspapers of the time. But the story goes like this the farmer was noted on his inspection tour, there were a lot of wallabies on the outsides of the paddocks, um, you know, up the foothills. And um, being a butcher, when the hunters came up and said, Oh, you're the new owner, we used to go hunting on your property, can we go hunting again now that the the mad Englishman on the hills moved? Um and um the guy said, Sure, there's plenty of wallabies up there. So the hunters went up, um, shot lots of wallabies, came back and said, There's plenty more. Can we come back tomorrow night? So the hunters came back pretty regularly, shot lots of wallabies. There were so many that they weren't taking the carcasses off the paddocks. And so the cattle were not happy and they were busting from paddock to paddock because of the stench of the carcasses of the dead wallabies. And then, and this is where it gets a bit weird, then it was reported that Tasmanian devils, which are very shy nocturnal species, they started appearing out of nowhere in quite considerable numbers and were observed in the daytime, not only eating the carcasses, but attacking lambs on neighbouring farms in daylight, which is behaviour totally unrecognized and unobserved, so much so that experts in Tasmanian devils were apparently rushing to the farm to you know observe this phenomenon. And um, I was told that there was a newspaper story going to the words of nature goes wild on small Tasmanian farm. And I've got to stress, I spent a lot of time in the bush hunting and fishing and walking as I was growing up on that farm in Tasmania. I didn't spend a lot of time at nighttime, but I was there till dusk, etc. I never once saw a Tasmanian devil or any sign of a Tasmanian devil in my entire time. So I was shocked that so many were in the vicinity and had come out in such numbers. And so it was a bit of a sad aftermath, but I mean, I mean, how would you tell an ordinary person in the 70s who's a butcher by trade, oh yeah, we've got to deal with the nature kingdom. You can't shoot the wild bees, you can't kill the snakes, you know, and um if you talk to the cattle, you can move them from paddock to paddock. We didn't even think about it. And um, yeah, we sort of felt afterwards that was um, you know, something to learn from. And um during that time, we were my my dad was um very active in the budding organic gardening and farming movement, and we had this guy who would come to our place to look at our organic farm, and his name was Peter Cundle, and we got to know him, and and decades later he's the face of Gardening Australia. So I got to see him starting off in organic gardening, and there was one particular day Peter Cundle and my dad were talking about organic gardening and farming, and uh they had a meeting with this guy called Bill Mollison, and he marches in and we're all they're all talking away, and Bill's got a way to monetize and spread organic gardening and farming principles, and he called it permaculture. And his model was that he would um you know train people to teach permaculture with people all the way along practicing it. So, as far and wide as organic agriculture and farming spread, permaculture spread a lot further because of Bill Mollison's particular approach and business model, and it went right around the world. I mean, everyone knows organic gardening and farming. But yeah, that was um a very interesting time of my life.

SPEAKER_02 40:47

Well, what comes to mind for me is that, well, you were already an animal communicator, obviously, you and you and your family, because that that's what it is. It's communicating with with animals, but also, you know, with all of nature. What is interesting is that your story, along with thousands and thousands of others of people who've come to me and tell me about this, they've they've got an arrangement with snakes. I mean, there's a lot of people that um have had a snake rearing up and have had a conversation with a snake, the snake gets down and moves away. Um, there's also about uh arrangements, lots of arrangements. And so it comes to mind, I mean, I I do this myself. I do it with spiders, I do it with insects, I do it with birds, I do it with lots of things, and it's not making arrangements for me, it's compromising.

SPEAKER_03 41:34

Well, this is what I wanted to say, because like when when you make a deal with the nature kingdom, it's like you need to compromise and give. Like we could have said to the well beans, just don't go in the paddocks. But we said you can stick to the bits on the edge of the paddocks because the cows don't like eating that grass, and there's still grass there, and they were happy. The guy who moved to the district who taught us um the speed reading, he um ended up being a real devotee of this sort of stuff. He took to it as well, because we were sharing with him, and he had apple, he had one of the last apple orchards in the district, and he had problems with cockatoos, um, with his apples, and we and and we we basically talked about it and we came up with the idea. Well, tell the cockatoos that you won't poison them, net them, and shoot them, as long as they stick to the you know, five or six trees on the really daggy, downhill, hard to get to part of the orchard that it's hard for the farmer to get to. You can't drive a tractor down there. The apples are fine, and said to the cockatoos, you have those trees, leave the rest for us, and we've got peace and harmony. And that pretty much worked. He was amazed to see. I mean, there might be one or two cockatoos on other trees, but generally speaking, they were in that corner on that cluster of trees. And uh so, you know, you gotta you gotta uh make sure that um you create win-win situations in your deals with with the animal keeping it.

SPEAKER_02 42:57

Yeah, so so it it is win-wins, and also there's there's a thing about intention. So if someone's listening to this, going, Oh yeah, I've got this pesky thing going on, and I'm just gonna say to them, you know, to do blah, blah, blah. Yeah, but if there's nothing in it for the animal, it's not that the animal is so, well, you didn't give anything to me. It's not about that. It's about we we we can't, we're overruling nature all the time. That's what humans do. Humans come, like for instance, someone will say, Well, do those ants annoy you all. I I mean, I'm telling you now, Duncan, that in my whole neighborhood, I've got more spiders in my yard than anybody else, right? I just have because they know they're gonna come there and they're not gonna be killed and sprayed. And it's everybody goes, Oh, come to her house. You know, it's like it's like the monsters here. But it if the thing is, we have this arrangement. I go, Yeah, but I need this area. Like I want this area to myself. They don't go in there. They just don't, they'll go everywhere else. Or if somebody hasn't heard the call, I'll say, sorry, but you know, the ruling is because I'm not going to do that and you're gonna do this. There's got to be an intention. Of purity with it. Not just because I'm a human and I want to get what I want. If you have that attitude, it's never going to work with nature. I'll tell you now, we've all tried it, it's not going to work. It's got to be that, you know, I understand that the humans were on my land before my house was built on it. So what right do I have? You know, we've got this thing with the indigenous in this country. We won't go down that road. But we've also got that with animals because they were here before us. And if we don't have this mutual agreement that, hey, it's not all about me and I want it this way and it should be that way, as it is, the animals on this planet have compromised more than anything else has had to, because humans certainly don't. So I think that it's a lesson for all of us to say, you know what? Nature and everything on this planet will work if we have a good intention and are willing to compromise. And we've just described the perfect relationship, even between humans.

SPEAKER_03 44:53

I've got um, I can report in retrospect, I guess, two successful cases where I've uh asked um wasp nests to be moved. Um, they haven't been fully established, they've been halfway built in a day or two, but in an area where there's just too many people, like in the laundry. And twice I've gone to um wasp nests and I've said, guys, um my wife is not happy, the other kids are not happy. I don't have a problem with you, but if you continue to build your nest here, we are going to rip it down, and you may get killed or displaced in the process. So why don't you stop now, relocate somewhere else? You can go around the corner, da da da da da. But I do know they like specific places, bees and wasps, they're attracted to specific nodal points or electromagnetic fields or lack of or something. Um, in many cases, they're electrical creatures by the sound of it. So twice I've successfully seen a few days later, I've come back and the nest's been empty. And I thought, well, was that me or what? Um, but it hasn't been threatening. Like there's no violence. There was a bit of resignation and sadness from my part because I sort of like wasps, and I know that when I've been stung, it's been my um clumsiness rather than their aggressiveness. But I've recognized other people don't have the same like huntsman spiders, I'll be girls screaming. Wasps, no. You know, other people can be the other way around. So twice that's happened successfully, but um I've never had success, I don't think, with cockroaches or ants. But I don't think I've ever really approached it maturely. It's been like, yuck, I want you gone. And that's not really a um uh uh a mature thing. So I might have to work on that one.

SPEAKER_02 46:34

Yeah, but it's the same as what humans do to other humans. Well, I don't like you, so I'm gonna slap you. Or, you know, and that's frowned upon even in us. Well, well, think about what you're doing with animals. Like there's there's ways of relocating, and like my students at the moment, you know, they've got a problem with a mouse in the roof, and they're worried about it. There might be more, and then they're gonna, you know, duplicate and all this sort of thing. So we're coming up with what are we gonna say to that mouse to come to some kind of compromise? If you now I have removed rats before, but unfortunately the neighbors got them. They moved from that house to the neighbors. So anyway, anyhow, we didn't tell them, but anyway, they said, Oh, the neighbors have just come up and said there's rats in their roof. And I went, okay, that'll be your rats. But anyway, so um we can ask them to move, and we're at the moment coming up with a solution because they don't want to hurt the mouse or mice, so they just want them, you know, to move, or maybe we can have them in a certain part of the roof, or maybe we can have them somewhere else. And she said, I'm willing to feed them or make sure they're okay. So the the thing is is the communication, communication is the key to any relationship, good communication is the is the key to any relationship being successful, and it works with animals and nature as well. So the better the communication, the better the intent, the better it works. And animals are willing to compromise because to be really honest with you, Duncan, they've been compromising for centuries. And if it was humans, they'd be over it and starting a war. But animals don't. That's a big difference. They don't.

SPEAKER_03 48:03

Speaking of um, speaking of communicating, you remember on that trip to see the Gospel Glyphs, Eric von Daneken? Yes. Yes. Well, when we when he was in Brisbane on that same visit to Australia, um he we we had a had him at a restaurant somewhere in Brisbane, uh, a bit of open air, it was a nice night, and um he listeners, um, explain who Eric von Daniken is. Eric von Daniken, I think most people would know who Eric von Daniken is. He rode chariots of the gods and began the whole ancient aliens concept that um the gods of old might have been extraterrestrial visitors. And maybe um maybe they built some of those big buildings, etc. He opened the door for that whole debate. Got a lot of food through, but became very famous. And so, I mean, yeah, for the for the people reading my magazine, I I apologize. It's it's a given they know who he is. But he came out to Australia on that visit. He would have been in his mid to late 80s, and um very lucid, nice guy. Um and he likes to have a cigarette after dinner with with some red wine. So I joined him for a smoke off to the side um after dinner, and we we had a chat because I went I needed to ask him something on behalf of a couple of the the girls in the in our in our organizing group. They wanted me to ask him what sort of cream or face cream or oils or ointment he put on his face because his skin was like baby smooth. And um, and I was expecting some brand, you know, to go back and and he looked he looked a bit embarrassed and he looked around and said, Well, I tell you, but he can't tell anyone. And I said, Why? And he said, because I don't want people to think I'm crazy. And I said, People, I said, Eric, people have been thinking you're crazy since you know your first book. I said, you know, what what possibly could you be telling me? And he said, My secret is I talk to myself. And I said, You're what? He said, I talk to myself. He said, Every night I look at my face and I talk to my skin cells and my eye cells, and I feel gratitude. And I talk to them and I thank them for what they do in the in the body, um, and you know, apparently quite a bit, quite a few other parts of the body too. But he said, when I talk to them, I really feel like they can hear and I am showing appreciation. And I thought, wow, what a concept! And um his face is living testimony to if you are, you know, you can talk to your own cells, your own organs and things like that. And one day I'm sure on your podcast, you'll discuss the concept of, or the phenomenon, of um when they're doing organ transplants, how the recipient gets the personality and a lot of physical and mental and emotional things from the donor, even though they don't know each other. And so much so that transplant um um doctors in some places in America actually talk to the organ that's going to go into the body and sort of, you know, to because it it reduces the amount of anti um rejection drugs that are used on the recipient. So not just the cells in the body, but whole organs.

SPEAKER_02 51:09

Um there's a lot of doctors who know a lot about this, they just can't come out in their children. I know, I know. I wish they could, and I wish anyone listening to this have an open mind because there's so many things you don't know that are that are real that is amazing. Now, I've talked to cells many times, and I remember healing, um, in in terms of healing, because I I do I do healing as well, but I've spoken to cancer cells and why they're doing it, like why they're replicating the way they are or or what's happening. I've also spoken to other cells in the body, and you know, amazingly, I remember a close family member that I was helping with their cancer diagnosis, and uh, because they're all for different reasons. So it's not like you can just talk to the cells and they're going to do something, but you can find out information, and I I brought that information to the person, but as I was healing, I was watching red blood cells change, and I could see other cells change, and I was speaking to them, and her cancer markers actually went down, and she was on and she wasn't having any treatment. So um, and the doctor even said, Well, it I don't know what's creating it, you know, because she didn't say about me. But talking to the cells, sometimes, sometimes it's something the person has to do, and they're not doing it, or it's something they needed to accomplish. And so it all depends how open-minded you are and what those cells say. So you can get information from anything because it all has consciousness, as you would know. So consciousness is consciousness. We just need to broaden our minds and saying, well, it's not just animals, plants, you know, we you can you can communicate with soil, you can communicate with mountains, you can communicate with rivers. We've had amazing communications with rivers. I've taken students into like the remote viewing, a bit like that, going into a river and the experiences that they've felt, because water, of course, has memory and knowledge. So all of these things are available to us because once you are telepathically or intuitively communicating with consciousness, you can do it with all consciousness. And I'm excited to broaden my horizons as to what we can communicate with. You know, yes, I've spoken to the gorillas for the Ugandans, and I've spoken to Northern Botswana elephants for the UN, and you know, we've spoken, but I'm talking about other creatures that are not necessarily just in this world, but also, you know, those that are that we don't know about. So it's all very exciting, really, because it's the same type of communication. It runs us, and you're doing it, Duncan. We've already heard the stories of of you doing that. You never know quite where the conversation is going when you talk to Duncan. In part two, we move into more mind-expanding topics like broadening your understanding of consciousness and even aboriginal prophecies. And so there's much more coming from the world of Duncan Rhodes.

SPEAKER_01 54:10

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SPEAKER_00 57:12

So Tricia, today on our Animal News, I would love to talk about the Silverback Gorilla. We have a really interesting article that I want to share with you about what happens when they live in troops together. And also a little bit of a sad story here, but I think it's really good insight since you've done some extensive work and discussions directly with gorillas. So in this article, what we found, like what the story happened with, is the Silverback Gorilla came charging through all this campsite, human campsite, pulling things apart, ripping tents apart, absolutely scaring the crap out of everyone, going, what's going on? thinking they're about to be destroyed, but not quite touching them either. And it's a really odd, really odd incident. Nobody knew what was happening or what was going on. And so of course the authorities got involved thinking this is a rogue silverback gorilla, which is not the case at all. After going into a bit more discussion, they found out that two, two of its babies have been kidnapped by poachers and were on their way to another campsite where they were to be either sold or killed for meat. And that gorilla was absolutely tracking them through the campsite. And once it was gone through, found them, they were doing everything they can to get them out. Thank goodness humans were able to actually work together for once and actually rescue these animals. The two babies were then reunited back with their dad, with the silverback gorilla. And I think it's in this instance is a really big highlight of what happens when humans actually just stop and think about why an animal does what it does. It's truly, truly, really unique, isn't it?

SPEAKER_02 58:55

Well, it is. And you know, one would have to think, just in common sense, right? We're not gorillas, not saying we are, but why would these gorillas, because see, people like to make them out as things. But you've got to think about it. Why would a lone gorilla, not with his, you know, he's he's pretty much doing this on his own, but he's rat he he was the father, so he's the one. Any human father would do the same thing if his two children were, you know, kidnapped or um or taken away. And so why would he do such a thing out of nowhere? What is he hoping to gain? What you think he's after human meat? Do you think he's after things in the campsite? I mean, one would have to question why a gorilla, and even if he did, what is the reason behind it? Because there's usually logic behind why an animal does everything. People like to call them rogue animals, but nine times out of ten, they're not rogue animals. And if they are, there's a damn good reason, and perhaps they were hurt or you know, it things were misinterpreted, whether it be human or the animal, and this is how these instances occur. So my my heart is is beaming now because thank goodness they found out the real reason and the gorillas weren't harmed, the babies were brought back, you know, all is right with the world, and hopefully the poachers were caught. And so, you know, everything is is kind of stopped in motion. So that's a good outcome, but it all it doesn't always happen that way. And I think sometimes it's sensational news to have um now that there's a couple of things I want to talk about. There was a gorilla um, you know, many years ago that was in a zoo. Um, I'm pretty sure it was America actually, but anyway, it was in a zoo, and the child, there was a child up the top, because it's an enclosure where the gorillas were down there and they had railings up the top. The child climbed into the gorilla enclosure and then fell. But the bait the child actually climbed over there on purpose. And I don't know why the parents weren't watching or what happened, but the child ended up in there, and the gorilla ended up grabbing the child in initially, and this is all how it looked, and it was all this big, oh hoo-ha, and the keepers had to come and shoot the gorilla. Now I spoke to that gorilla, and that gorilla was trying to protect the child. There were other animals, but also it was in the water and it didn't want it to drown. It was actually protecting it, but the gorilla was shot. And this is the problem when people can't communicate with animals, because then they have to go on that looks like that. Isn't that what happens with human stuff? Well, I thought it was self-defense. I thought that person was going to do this, or I thought that that was gonna happen, and that's what happened to that gorilla. And on a different note, I spoke to the gorillas in Uganda a few years ago. It was it was during COVID, actually. I was speaking to them for a particular group because they wanted to know how the gorillas were coping during COVID. And so it was really interesting because the gorillas um particular troupe, it was a very popular troop with the tourism industry, and this group had um uh the the the head honcho, I call him, the main the the the main man Silverback. Um his name was Rafiki, and he spoke to me, and you know, he was telling me about wondrous things that were happening over COVID. Uh things that I just couldn't even comprehend. Because there was no people, no tourists, right? There was obviously Africans there because they had to look after, you know, or hopefully look after the gorillas. But I'm talking about the tourists, so there wasn't this stream of tourists. They were telling me that they could hear things like thousands of kilometres away. They could smell things, that the air was now. I I want to say he said clean, so I don't want to make it sound like we're making it dirty, but we must muddy the waters a little bit. I'm just saying, right? And so you were saying that he could pick up scents from a long way away through the breeze because there was nothing stopping it. And also that we wear, and and this, I I I don't know whether I suppose men, they do wear some cosmetics after shave or whatever it is, but the gorillas were indicating to me that they were that we wear certain things that mask the air really badly because of the sensing they can pick up. So this was amazing. They were just I was just sitting there while he was telling me and could pick up all the things he could pick up. He said it was wondrous and it was wonderful, and that the air and that the atmosphere, the vibe was really relaxed, you know, and he loved it, and they could get on with being gorillas. But then he brought something up to me and he said, We don't have the people, the people coming. He kind of put them in a different category, the people, but he said, the other humans are the ones I'm worried about. And I went, other humans, and I realized he meant like poachers or someone, you know, trying to use the gorillas for their own gain. So I remember um reporting back to the people in Uganda to say, listen, Rafiki's really worried about his troop because of the poachers. And they said, Oh no, that can't happen. We have guards that guard them regardless, you know, of tourism. So, and I said, Yes, but when the gorillas are bringing this up, there must be, he must have sensed something because he's letting me know there is danger. And I said, they don't do that for no reason, and he's a big gorilla, so he can take care of things, but it's obviously beyond his control. Anyway, they thought, well, this guard said they don't have to worry about it. Eight weeks later, Rafiki was murdered. So the main, yeah, the main leader of the troop was murdered, and it it was just terrific. And I was devastated. I'd just spoken to this gorilla a few weeks before. I had warned them, and because they thought they had it covered, but you see, during COVID, they uh uh the tourism brought the money for the guards, I guess, or you know, for it to be taken care of, but perhaps they weren't being paid the same amount or but they'd gone back to the villages. That's the problem. So the poachers were able to to penetrate. Now, what I thought was good news initially that four men were found guilty of doing that. I'm not sure that they were convicted or that it went to the highest level because they said he ran at us, he attacked us, and we had to kill him to stop him. When I contacted Rafiki and said, is this what happened? He said, No. Those four men were trying to take my baby. And that's why it's reminded me because of this story that we've just spoken about. But the outcome didn't quite end up the same because unfortunately, they tried to take the baby, he ran to protect them and they killed him, and he ended up Unfortunately, because you've got a silverback running at you because you're holding my baby. So those men probably didn't get as big a penalty as they should, or they might have even got off because they're pleading self-defense. This is the problem when we can't speak to animals, and we don't, for those who can speak to the animals, are not holding it in high enough regard because the animal never gets to tell their side of the story. And why should they live in fear all the time because we're not prepared to listen to them when a warning, or if when it's not just these gorillas, it could be anywhere all over the world. Why are we not finding out the truth when we can? There's plenty of communicators on the on the planet. You know, people just need to understand there's two sides to every story, and we need to hear both sides. I mean, that must be even devastating to you.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:55

Oh, it just it broke my heart when you said that, as soon as you mentioned Rafiki going and the way that it happened. We humans, we we constantly think in our own perspective. We never look from well, this is what we're trying to show people is to look from the animal's perspective. Look at why. An animal does nothing out of malice, it is always a purpose behind it. We are the ones, unfortunately, that seem to have all the greed and all the alternative motives going on there. And this is what happens. Somebody always gets hurt. And we're hoping as our awareness grows, for once it will be the animals that no longer get hurt.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:32

I I also have a bit of a grievance that, you know, it's so wrong for a human to go take another human's child, and it happens all the time, let's be honest. We're just facing one here in Australia right now. But what I'm saying is that when are we going to stop this nonsense? When are we going to think that we have all the power, we can do this? And this is within humans ourselves. What right does one human have on another on another human? They don't. And they certainly don't have on an animal either. And this is what we've got to start looking at ourselves and saying, it's not good enough. It's just not good enough. What are we going to do with the problems that we have? We've got so much violence within our own species, and then we're inflicting it on other species. And then even some go as far as to blame the other species, you know, for their own forthcoming. I I sit there and I go, oh, really? Have we advanced? We're technologically advanced, but are we advanced as people, as human beings? I don't know. What do you think?

SPEAKER_00 1:08:43

I think I think we're a bit too in love with our own intelligence, our own rationale, that we don't stop and think about our own compassion, kindness for others, how to be nice to one another and to to stop this need. Why, why, why are we so cruel to each other? Let alone to our animals. Why are we so cruel in in our own species? And yes, I agree with you. I don't think we're as advanced as we think we are.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:09

That's so true, but I will leave you with this that Rafiki said I would do it all over again for my child. That broke my heart. And he was, and he is still a beautiful being that was just protecting for no reason at all that happened. And he had to protect because unfortunately his troop was also being talked about being disbanded because they would have to find another leader, because unfortunately, there was only juveniles there. So he was the obvious one, even though it was his offspring, but he was the obvious one to protect because he was the leader. He was the one, that's his role, to protect everyone in that troop. And that's what he was doing, and he would do it again, and he was proud. The only part of him is that he said, I wished I had succeeded. Now, everybody that, you know, everything was okay there, you know, the other gorillas and everything was intact, but it should never have happened, and he should still be alive today to live his life exactly the way he wants. So it's not only uh human violence that's affecting our own species, but really it's affecting every species on this planet. And I think it's the time that we had a look at that and decided to curb our own behaviors. Really, I do. So we'll leave you with that. Uh, even though it's a little bit of a sad story, um, it's still a wonderful first story because it ended up happily, but also it just highlights about gorillas and their beautiful family groups and how bound they are and what lengths they're willing to go to no matter what. And all they're doing is lit living their life and minding their own business up in the mountains, where if we didn't go up there, wouldn't they have a good time? I'll leave you with that.

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